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Law and Precedent

William BlackstoneIn a country which still pays lip service to the rule of law, precedent is critical. Legal precedent is essential for equality, continuity and stability under the law. However, judges are increasingly willing to cite precedents from courts which neither have jurisdiction in this country nor yet a legal basis in common. Justices Scalia and Breyer debated whether the courts should indeed cite law from outside the country (full transcript of the debate here). Among other things, Justice Scalia had the following to say on the matter:

I don’t know what it means to express confidence that judges will do what they ought to do, after having read the foreign law. My problem is I don’t know what they ought to do. What is it that they ought to do? You have to ask yourselves, Why is it that foreign law would be relevant to what an American judge does when he interprets — interprets, not writes — I mean, the Founders used a lot of foreign law. If you read the Federalist Papers, it’s full of discussions of the Swiss system, German system. It’s full of that. It is very useful in devising a constitution. But why is it useful in interpreting one?

Now, my theory of what I do when I interpret the American Constitution is I try to understand what it meant, what was understood by the society to mean when it was adopted. And I don’t think it changes since then.

Now, obviously if you have that philosophy — which, by the way, used to be orthodoxy until about 60 years ago — every judge would tell you that’s what we do. If you have that philosophy, obviously foreign law is irrelevant with one exception: Old English law, because phrases like “due process,” the “right of confrontation” and things of that sort were all taken from English law. So the reality is I use foreign law more than anybody on the Court. But it’s all old English law.

All right, if you have that theory, you can understand why foreign law is irrelevant.

The problem with using legal precedents from other countries is very simple: No other country, including modern-day Great Britain, has the same foundation in law as do we. No other country has our constitution. No other country has our 200+ years of legal history.

If one considers the various foundations for law in countries around the world, it becomes apparent rather quickly that one could find a precedent for just about anything, no matter how strange. For instance, by looking at the legal precedents set in North Korea, once could justify summary execution for making international phone calls. Of course, most would see this as a very poor precedent, which should not be followed, but that is beside the point. The point is that it makes no sense to weave in precedent from a non-congruent body of law.

Good laws, like people themselves, have ancestors. Much as I can trace my ancestors back hundreds of years, through generation after generation, every law in our country should be able to trace its way back to a state constitution or the the US Constitution, then what Scalia calls “old English law,”  all the way back to natural law.

In short, no good law can exist without the support of all its precedents. That’s why, when we pass laws or interpret laws so as to make new law–without grafting them onto precedent which is firmly based in our country’s own foundational legal documents and known antecedents, we are truly on dangerous ground.

One difficulty with precedent which we have today is that we have established a number of precedents which themselves rest on nothingness. These might be properly termed illegitimate precedents, as they are not descended from the “family” of laws, as it were, which was previously in place. When these unsteady precedents are cited in new decisions, we are making a further mockery of the rule of law.

Only God is able to create ex nihilo–the rest of us ought to be absolutely certain we are basing our legal creations on solid foundations.

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11 Comments, Comment or Ping

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    So, you’ve never heard of Blackstone’s Commentaries, then. Ask a lawyer, maybe?

    CC: Blackstone was the most well-known writer/thinker on English law. See obvious reference to English law.

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    I agree, I don’t think judges should use precedent from other countries because the rulings in those cases come from a completely different Judicial System.

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    And yet every American lawyer has a copy of a set of commentaries on Great Britain’s laws.

    CC: “And yet”? They have (if you are referring to Blackstone, again) a set of commentaries on that period of law which Scalia referred to–old English law.

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    Yes, “and yet” – as in, “offered as counter-evidence to your claim that American jurisprudence has no legitimate basis in the law of any other nation.”

    I don’t see how out of one side of your mouth you can dismiss the very idea of American law being interpreted in the light of the laws of other nations, and then out of the other embrace American law’s ancestry from English civil law. It’s duplicitous.

    CC: Let us try this one more time.

    Never said that “American jurisprudence has no legitimate basis in the law of any other nation.”

    The Colonies (as we were once known) used to be under the laws of a country which was known as England. As a result of the fact that most, if not all of the people known as this nation’s founding fathers, were schooled in English law (via Blackstone), they used English law of that period as the foundation for many of the laws of the United States. So, one could say from a legal standpoint that US law branched off of English law as of the founding of this country. Therefore, it does not go against anything I said (and in fact is directly supported by Scalia’s comments) that the only law we ought to look to when we go back further than our own Constitution is the English law which existed at the time our US Constitution was written.

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    You have good posts. I think your take on the Scalia-Breyer debate about American judges using foreign precedent for constitutional interpretation is spot on. Chet is missing the point and your explanation is exactly right. I am a law professor. I teach constitutional law, legal history, and jurisprudence (philosophy of law), and I have frequently debated and written about this issue. You are completely correct about this. I am going to add your site to my blogroll.

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    Joerg,

    Thank you. I appreciate your support on this critical issue (and the inclusion in your blogroll).

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    But it wasn’t just English law that informed the jurisprudence of the colonies. I mean, where did English law come from? Can you really say that English law was not influenced by contemporary French or Spanish law, or even by the Roman law from which it directly descended?

    It’s as stupid to draw a line under English law and say “this is all the law we can consider” as it is to draw the same line under American law. Law is law. Looking at how other countries have interpreted the same laws and looking at the results isn’t a bad thing. I would think that would be obvious.

    And if you’re going to reply, reply under your own name, not under mine.

    CC: You are welcome to go elsewhere. Your commenting on this site is a privilege–not a right.

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    It’s confusing, and I don’t understand why you wouldn’t use your own handle at your own blog, or why my comments are the only ones you modify in that way.

    It’s disrespectful and dishonest. Gosh, combined with your comment, it almost begins to seem like a way to “deal with” a commenter making arguments you can’t refute on their merits. But that would be paranoid and uncharitable.

    CC: I’ve already addressed your arguments on the merits (see above)–but you seem little interested in doing anything other than attacking those with whom you disagree. As I’ve said to you before, you are welcome to set up your own blog and define any rules you wish for those engaging in discussion upon it–I’ve already done the same.
    If you are able to figure out who CC is, I’m sure my other readers are as well.

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    Sure, you addressed – and I rebutted. Which you have ignored. And now I’ve made an argument against this bizzare, dishonest redaction behavior, which you have also ignored.

    By all means attempt to prove me wrong. Please don’t lie about me.

       Michael WoodringNo Gravatar

    Since you insist, let me explain myself again (and perhaps I can do so in such a way as to make it very clear who is speaking, since that seems to be part of your concern). This is my site. Your commenting here is a privilege. Should I choose to respond to you in any manner, then I may do so. If you do not like it, you may depart.

    On the topic of this post itself, your rebuttal consisted of repeating your earlier argument. That is not a rebuttal, that is a rerun.